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Accessibility Podcast Transcript
Dax Castro
Welcome to another episode of Chax Chat. Join Chad Chelius and me Dax Castro, where each week we wax poetic about document accessibility topics, tips, and the struggle of remediation and compliance. So sit back, grab your favorite mug of whatever, and let’s get started.
Chad Chelius
Welcome, everyone. Today’s podcast is sponsored by no other than Chax Training and Consulting. And if you’re interested in supporting the podcast, there are sponsorship opportunities available. So just reach out to us and we can discuss that opportunity in more detail. My name is Chad Chelius. I’m an Adobe Certified Instructor as well as Director of Training Solutions, and Principal at Chax Training and Consulting.
Dax Castro
And my name is Dax Castro. I am Director of Media Productions here at Chax Training and Consulting. And Chad and I are both certified as Accessible Documents Specialists by the International Association of Accessibility Professionals. And if you want to get your certification, head on over to accessibilityassociation.org/certification. And check out all the different kinds of certifications that IAAP has to offer. So Chad, how are you doing man?
Dax Castro
Welcome to another episode of chats, chat, join Chad Chelius and me Dax Castro, where each week we wax poetic about document accessibility topics, tips, and the struggle of remediation and compliance. So sit back, grab your favorite mug of whatever, and let’s get started.
Chad Chelius
Welcome, everyone. Today’s podcast is sponsored by Recosoft makers of PDF2ID. My name is Chad Chelius. I’m going to be certified instructor as well as director of training solutions and principal at checks, training and consulting.
Dax Castro
And my name is Dax Castro. I am Director of Media Productions here at checks, training, consulting. And Chad and I are both accessible document specialist certified by the International Association of Accessibility Professionals. And if you would like your certification, head on over to www.accessibilityassociation.org/certifications and get more information. It’s a really great certification to have. And we are so glad to have been whoever to have contributed to working on the questions for that test. But don’t ask us because we can’t tell you any of those answers right yet.
Chad Chelius
That’s right. We signed the NDA. So no, none for that.
Dax Castro
Well, and we can’t even we can’t even do training courses on it for a couple of years. We still have a few more like two more years, and then we’ll be able to, to at least provide some training but yeah, more about that later. We have other fish to fry. [Chad] Exactly. Chad it has been raining cats and dogs here for the last week or so. And… [Chad] still. Oh yeah,
Chad Chelius
I know it’s been raining for quite a while. Right?
Dax Castro
Yeah, it’s it’s getting ready to come down and buckets this weekend. And luckily, I have shored up my big giant koi pond hole in my backyard. My wife woke up the other night in a panic thinking that the hole was going to collapse. She’s like I’m having anxiety and I think the hole is good. I know what’s not but I think the hole is going to collapse and we’re going to fall in and she can’t wait for that to get done. So
Chad Chelius
Well. We have flowers and trees blooming everywhere here in the Northeast. The it’s still chilly, but it’s pretty comfortable. You know? And today’s what we call a bluebird day. Okay, where like the sky was just blue. It’s what I call a happy day. Because we have solar panels. Ah, and on days like today we are we are making money. Yeah. So it’s it’s a good day for solar panel, solar panel owners anyway. So we have an awesome guest today. We have Paul Chadha from Recosoft joining us here from Kobe, Japan. And yeah, and Paul and I have been friends for many years. And, you know, I met him, you know, from our connections with creative pro conference. And, you know, we’re both in the graphic design space. And Paul Paul is a fantastic guy. So welcome, Paul, how you doing?
Paul Chadha
Good. How are you? Doing very well on the show.
Dax Castro
Yeah, it’s really nice to have you on the podcast. I know. It’s funny, I remember back to my old my very first creative pro conference and walking out in the sponsors area and seeing your booth and chatting with you a bit. And then, you know, here we are a couple of years later, and now you’re on my podcast or our podcast. So it’s very much full circle. So welcome. Welcome to the program. So today we wanted to talk just, you know, talk about something that I think is a big struggle for a lot of people. It is accessible PowerPoint content that gets converted while converting a PowerPoint to PDF and the struggles they’re in and people think word is a challenge. PowerPoint is even more of a challenge, right, Paul?
Decks Move In
Paul Chadha
Yes, definitely. It’s more of a challenge. The whole topic about accessibility is you know, it’s a never ending topic. And accessibility is a it’s a federal requirement if I’m correct now, right? Yep, like accessible documents, and accessibility spans across all documents basically. So whether you create in PowerPoint or word or, or any other tool and our focus has been lately in ensuring that all the accessibility features that are tags or information is carried over back and a in a high level fashion to InDesign. Right. So a couple of our tools, we have a new tool called DecksMoveIn, it’s a plugin for InDesign, which directly imports PowerPoint into InDesign. So Oh, next awesome, then graphics and everything. And the latest release of the DecksMoveIn plugin will pick up all the accessibility tags inside PowerPoint, you know, whatever all accessibility tags that existed. Right will be directly sucked into InDesign. So your alt text comes in your reading order comes in, and everything is nicely formatted within InDesign.
Dax Castro
I will tell you that sounds amazing because I have I have almost given up on PowerPoint, when I’m preparing, like we’re getting ready to go to sea sun and just a few days. And I have slide decks that I have spent painstaking hours moving them from PowerPoint to InDesign because I am tired of spending hours remediating moving paragraphs outside of figure tags, because it happens to be a blue box behind white text. And, and so I’m like, I’m done. I’m just going to do this in InDesign. That way, I know, I can just hit Export, and it’s good to go. But it sounds like this plugin you’ve got is basically going to save me all of that time. And, and, and make me think and regret all of those hours I’ve spent so far moving that content. But that’s, that’s really awesome. Does it actually? Well, how does it handle images like it when it moves the image over? Is it a link it’s a linked image? What right,
Paul Chadha
We’ve been doing in design plugins for about 15, 16 years now. So know what an InDesign user wants. And when and when the DecksMoveIn plug in, creates when it imports they imports the PowerPoint into InDesign creates a pure InDesign file with all your images linked in subfolders. So each one will get all it will get a sub folder with all the images, page two will get again, another sub folder with all them just linked back in.
Dax Castro
That’s awesome. That’s awesome.
Chad Chelius
So from a workflow standpoint, right? So and I can tell you right, Dax, you just said about your slide decks for CSUN. Right. So we have CSUN next week. And and I used to use Keynote, right keynote was my program of choice for slide decks and stuff like that. But keynote does not output tagged PDFs. So if I create a presentation, that I want people to be able to review and read the content. It’s really, really hard to make it accessible. So I hung my head low. And I said, Fine, I’m going to use PowerPoint. And I can tell you like, just today, I took a PowerPoint file exported as PDF, and spent a lot of time cleaning it up. Because it’s just a bit of a bit of a mess. But with the DecksMoveIn in plugin, I can just say, You know what, take this PowerPoint file, convert it to an InDesign file, right? Yeah, and I can check, I can check my InDesign file, make sure that my export tags are where they need to be. The DecksMoveIn plugin is already going to set the reading order for me. Does it set the tag order Paul?
Paul Chadha
It should set the tag word also.
Chad Chelius
Okay. cool. So, um, so I mean, in like the matter of seconds, I can have an InDesign file that I can then from there, spit out a PDF, with a lot less effort, get an accessible PDF file. So it’s a really interesting workflow.
Dax Castro
You know, Chad, I was thinking about as you were talking, I was thinking of that one client you have, that doesn’t use PowerPoint to create slide decks, they use PowerPoint to create flyers. And I was thinking, Boy, this will be a great tool for them, because you can literally take their designs and say, Okay, I know, this is what you’ve been doing. But can we try this other way? And then give them I mean, that’s a service in itself. Just taking the just saying, Look, I’ll take all your, your flyers and client handouts that you’ve designed in power in PowerPoint. I just, my skin crawls just even say it. And I’ll just and then I’ll give you back an InDesign file that’s ready to go. And you can move forward from there.
PDF to InDesign with PDF2ID
Chad Chelius
Yeah,. I mean, why fight it, right. I don’t want Why fight this, this behemoth that we deal with when trying to make those PDF files when InDesign just gives you a much better tool for generating that final file. So it’s definitely something really interesting. And another product that you make Paul, one that I’ve been using for many years, is called PDF2ID. Right? Exactly. Dax, you and I have a client right now, who has a bunch of PDF files, and they need to be able to make a it to those PDF files.
Dax Castro
Yeah, it was an RFP submittal. So so this is a large, large engineering firm, and they’re going after this contract and, and part of the package that you have to submit back to this organization is a series of PDF forms that ask for different information and certifications and things like that. Well, the engineering company wants to actually take those forms and put them into their own proposal response that has a designed header and footer and page number and all of that. The problem is, they’re just overlaying the text on top of that, that PDF that’s been placed into InDesign, and then they’re going to generate a new PDF of this InDesign plus put it makes my head spin just trying to explain it
Chad Chelius
That’s completely inaccessible.
Dax Castro
Right it’s completely inaccessible.
Chad Chelius
Yeah, it’s gonna be tagged you lose all the tags and everything so with Paul’s product, the PDF2ID, you know, from within InDesign, you can import a PDF, and it will convert that PDF to native InDesign objects in the text, the images. Yeah. And what’s really cool. And this is where I give Paul a ton of kudos. Because, you know, Paul, I will tell you, like Dax and I talked about this all the time, you know, how like, the software vendors, they just fall short, right? Like a lot of things are possible via software, they just choose not to do it, right. And I’m not going to name names, I’m not going to do anything like that. But I do want to name you, because what you do when you convert a PDF to InDesign is you look at the tags that are in the PDF file. And if those tags exist, you automatically specify the export tag in the newly generated InDesign file, which in my mind is incredibly amazing. I mean, it’s, it’s an example where a software developer really thought this through and said, you know, what, I have all this information, why don’t I just carry it over? To facilitate this process? Right. And, and, of course, if the images have alt text, you carry that over into the InDesign document, you know, and so it’s really a phenomenal tool that you’ve developed.
Paul Chadha
Yeah, so PDF2ID, you know, one of one of the greatest things is that we’ve received a lot of feedback, a lot of our features, and new changes we make into the product is really driven by customers and feedback. So PDF/UA ID is a 15 year old product, it’s not, you know, something new. And over the years, we receive a lot of feedback from various folks. And we’ve engineered it to the point where, you know, I think we added accessibility tags about two or three years ago, I can I don’t exactly remember off the top of my head, but we added in after speaking to a bunch of people and you chat, and you Dax, and, and ever since then, you know, accessibility, just care carries over. And the main part, again, about carrying over the accessibility tags, if you don’t carry them over, if you miss an information inside the PDF, right, you’re missing it. If you don’t carry it over, nobody is going to go and check every single element. Oh, is this accessible? Does this have an alt text? You know, nobody. It’s very painstaking. It’s takes a lot of time. Right? Our job our job. And I truly like to say this is that we are here to automate your workflow, remove all the pain of manual labor, so that are minimize it as much as possible, so that you don’t have to worry at your end and carrying over information or migrating information. It’s about automating your workflow and letting the software do the job it’s supposed to do.
Possible New Features?
Dax Castro
Chad, I had a thought. So we you and I have brought up this topic on several different occasions where wouldn’t it be nice if Adobe could analyze all the font sizes on a document and calculate Okay, the biggest font sizes this this must be the h1 80% or 90% of this document is 10 point. So that must be the body text and then figure out the in between what’s an h1, what’s an H2, etc, etc. How amazing would it be Paul, if you’re and this is a suggestion maybe if your program as it goes back from Acrobat to InDesign does that analysis and says hey, if a tag doesn’t exist, for what we think should be Yeah, heading, we’ve analyzed the document. We’re like, hey, we think this should be a heading. Let’s go ahead and assign it. I think that would be amazing.
Paul Chadha
Yeah, I could do that. That’d be pretty simple. Yeah.
Chad Chelius
I mean, like, wasn’t it so refreshing to hear Paul say, all of the features we’ve added are based on customer feedback. We’ll go back further.
Dax Castro
He said, he said, we know what InDesign users want in the document. And immediately I was like, ah, that’s not what you normally hear from a vendor. Normally, they’re just like, well, you know, our engineers have worked really hard on coming up with a, you know, and then you talk with the engineers or you look at what they produced. And the one that comes to mind is the the what’s the new tool for Adobe that with intertwine, right, intertwine? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, highlight with the lasso. And it makes it look like it’s interlocking. And you’re like, that’s a great feature. And they’re like, oh, yeah, but it puts a bitmap on top of your vector art file. And you’re like, what? Why is that even a thing? Who thought that was a good idea, right? All of us, literally, I don’t know. 10. I don’t know how many 7,000 people were all in that auditorium. When Adobe released that Adobe MAX. Everybody went, Oh, this is amazing. And then you started seeing people pop up in the chats and on the twits on the, you know, the tweet saying, Yeah, except. So it’s great, Paul, to hear you say that. Now, I’ll take it even a step further. What if I know I have a document that’s untagged. And your document that you’re bringing it from PDF back to InDesign would assign all of my heading tags and or at least try to give me a start of all of my heading tags in my document? That would be I can see that just being an amazing tool.
Chad Chelius
I mean, I think that’s what you were just talking about Dax. Right. I mean, that idea that you just described that you and I had talked about before, you know, I could see totally Paul, right, having a checkbox that says, auto detect tags, or auto detect headings or something like that. And then you could run that analysis. And you can say, Oh, this is the biggest type in my document, make it an h1. Right? This is second biggest make it an H2, you know, and boy, that would be slick. That would be really cool. But I think
Paul Chadha
I was gonna, I was just, I apologize for jumping, jumping. I was just thinking, Yeah, we could add this very easily. It’s really not that difficult to do. It’s, it’s like I
Chad Chelius
was a developer.
Dax Castro
I know, power… With great power. There’s so much I could do Chad, I have a 3D printers sitting in the corner that needs to be assembled. And I just, I’m like, dang, if I could just get all these add on modifications, installed the power, I could have to create all these things. If I were just a programmer, all the power I… Oh, my gosh. But what I was saying earlier was, you know, one, one method is I’m missing a heading or to write and so you could extrapolate the missing data from what’s already there. Yeah. But go take it a step further and start from scratch and analyze the whole document and just fill it all in. That would be great to approximate heading levels. And then you could review them and figure out whether or not you you did it right. And because you’re using styles, right? Because Paul, your program uses styles if something was wrong, or that H2 should have been an H3, it’s super simple to change. Exactly. Wow. You can send that royalty check Paul to just address it to Dax Castro.
PDF2Assets
Chad Chelius
Well, I want to talk about one other one other product that Recosoft makes. And I’m thinking about it because Dax you and I received a file this week. And it was basically a letter to the public from the governor. Well, we’ll just leave it at that I’m not gonna say you know, blah, blah, blah. All it was it was a document. And it was scanned. Yes. And they tagged the text as figures, and added actual text to those figures to make it read appropriately.
Dax Castro
I’m shaking my head chat right now.
Chad Chelius
Trust me, trust me, I saw this file. And I’m like, I don’t even know how you would do that. Right? Like, I don’t even know how you would start. But what it made me think about I looked at that file. I’m like, I could recreate this in about five minutes. Yep. From scratch and make it 100% accessible. The challenge becomes like there was a logo, there was a seal. There was a signature, right? And so Recosoft, makes a product called PDF2Assets, right, okay. And so what this product does, is you, you run the PDF through PDF2Assets, and it extracts every image and graphic from the PDF and collects it into a folder. Oh, awesome, that you can then use all of those assets to create whatever you want, right. And so on that particular project, it would have been like snap your finger, there’s all my assets, drop them into InDesign, and run, you know? So it’s really great for repurposing content, right? You know, and we’ve all been there, right? People give us a PDF and say, Hey, I have a bunch of changes I need to make to this. And editing the PDF is not an option, we need to recreate it. And so PDF2Assets is a really, really slick tool for being able to repurpose that information. Is there anything you want to say about that, Paul?
Paul Chadha
Yeah, so PDF2Assets is sort of a, you know, we designed it in a way where it sort of sits in between Acrobat, Photoshop, and illustrator, I think that’s the correct way to put it. We’re not here to replace any of these tools, but it’s very focused on one thing is grabbing all the assets in a batch fashion from PDF files, right and spitting it out into folders, it actually creates for every page, it creates a sub folder, right, so your that your graphics assets. So artworks, for example, that are create bike, you know, vector, vector graphics, or images or whatever, it’ll grab it, and they’ll spit it out. And you can do this for 1000 files, it will keep on processing it. And so what happens is, when you have processing 1000 files, or say 500 files, even 20 files, you can reuse those assets anywhere you can you reuse it any project, it’s not tied to a particular document. The point is, you now have all these assets as an independent entity, which you can use anywhere, and you don’t have to struggle trying to, you know, you’ll say, Well, I can use Illustrator to open it up. And then at the end, you try to grab a vector asset, all my art pass objects and all the past object selected, you want to zone in on that one particular item. So PDF assets will do that for you. It intelligently groups things, it gives you a lot of controls a lot of flexibility. One of the things we also learned over the years is, for example, suppose there is an image with a clipping path apply. Now you want that transparency to reflect you know, there’s a clipping path applied. So the rest of there is clipped. So you just want it to apply and come in. So PDF/UA is it’s will also honor that for you. And it’ll create a you know, Tiff, or PNG with transparency already applied. So you don’t have to take that and say, well, I need to, you know, you do a few more clicks and post processing stuff. Yeah, so think stuff. So it’s right there. So again, we’ve developed this, keeping the designer creative professional in mind, and it’s all built for you.
Dax Castro
Well, you know, it’s interesting, the, it reminds me of, you know, we kind of reveal the secret every now and again, that a Word file that a doc file is just a zip. And if you change the word doc to zip, you can then go in and collect all the assets. The problem with it is that the assets are all just in one folder, all jumbled together. And what I really like what you said was that the that the, your tool will compartmentalize them in the folders labeled by page number, so that, you know, this graphic was on page 12, or this graphic was on page 15. So that gives you extra context. If you’re repurposing them or just reusing them to create something else, you know where that object came from. I don’t know how many times I’ve had to use bridge to look at an image and try to figure out which page it’s supposed to be supposed to be on because they gave me a new bar chart or a new line graph or a new whatever. And I needed to swap it out. I mean, definitely very, very useful.
Chad Chelius
And I mean, again, where we tend to talk about these products as graphics professionals, but PDF2Assets, you could leverage as a PowerPoint user as a word user as an InDesign user, right? Because all you’re doing is extracting the assets and where you use those assets is is up to you. So if you are a graphics professional Sure, you’re probably going to open up Adobe Bridge. Look at all those assets, you know in one location, but if you’re using Word, you can also grab those assets and drop them into Word as well.
More ideas for Recosoft
Dax Castro
I am My brain is always going, Paul. So here’s another one for you. If the PDF had alt text applied to it, could you apply that alt text as metadata embedded in the image properties? How freakin cool would that be to be able to then drop those files into InDesign and take advantage of the fact that you can target the metadata of the image to pull the alt text right along with it?
That sounds very interesting.
Chad Chelius
It’s not a bad idea. Yeah,
good idea. It’s interesting. We’d have to see what before we before I say, hey, we could do this. I was like to say, Oh, we could do this is we would need to see a use case for it. I think that’s the right phrase here.
Chad Chelius
Right? So in November, at Adobe MAX, Adobe announced that they’ve at well, Adobe didn’t add it, it was IPTC added a new metadata field that’s found in every image called alt text, right? We used to leverage the Description field or the headline field or, you know, whatever we had at our disposal. But But now they gave us a dedicated alt text field, right. And so the advantage, Paul, is that if I have that alt text in the metadata, when I drop it into InDesign, I can tell InDesign to grab the alt text from that metadata field. Oh, okay, automatically. And I mean, I don’t think any other software can do that. Right. I mean, we’re gonna do it powerful yet, but InDesign can. And I think that’s where the use case would be Paul. And you could even check, you could incorporate that into the whole conversion process. If you wanted to, right, you could, you can say, you know, I’m gonna grab the metadata from directly from the image instead of manually entering it in the text field.
Dax Castro
The, the, there’s another thing to think about too, though, WordPress, will pull that data from the metadata. So let’s say you had a PDF, here’s your use case, Paul, I have a PDF, but I want to build a web page, instead of presenting this as a PDF. So I want to extract all the assets out so I can build a webpage? Well, if you can grab the alt text that goes along with all those assets, then when I upload them, all the WordPress, WordPress will automatically add the alt text if it’s present in those in those in that metadata field. So now I can import 50 images of photo gallery or anything into my WordPress build, and not have to type a single piece of alt text.
Interesting.
Chad Chelius
Now, does WordPress recognize that alt text field yet? Does it does? Yeah. Oh, sweet.
Dax Castro
Yeah. Okay, anyway, food for thought. We’re always a machine here. Chad knows, it could be three in the morning, and I am up and my brain is going I’m constantly thinking about new ideas and new ways to do things. And, and, yeah, you know, it is, you know, we spend so much time doing what we do. And I think it’s important that we, we have a work life balance. And I struggle with that tremendously. But I feel like if we can develop tools like yours, like Recosoft, like PDF2ID and the DecksMoveIn, and the asset grabber, you know, those, those tools give us our time back, they give us more balance in our life, they allow us to not spend 15 hours doing a task that might only take 15 or 30 minutes. And not only the cost implication, but the time savings is so important. I think for a lot of designers who just find themselves feeling so ripped apart for time and trying to juggle their life and their work all in the same breath.
Chad Chelius
Yeah, and I know, Dax, you and I have you know, with our business we’ve we’ve encountered situations where we’re like, oh boy, do we spend the money on product X or product y you know, and what we usually do is we evaluate it and we say how much time is this gonna save us? Right? Like, right is it gonna save us a significant amount of time? And I really feel like you know, a product like PDF2ID. Depending on your workflow kit can be a huge time saver, just an enormous time saver. And so Paul, how much is PDF2ID, what is the cost on that?
Where to get PDF2ID
Paul Chadha
So, we have two versions of PDF2ID. One is PDF2ID Standard, which is just PDF2ID on its own that’s $199. And we have PDF2ID Professional Suite, which comes with the bells and whistles, and includes a one of the bells and whistles is the asset. The accessibility tags are only available in PDF2ID Professional Suite.
Dax Castro
Okay, good to know.
Paul Chadha
Okay, and you also get the DecksMoveIn plugin, and you get the PDF2Assets, external helper application. And that’s $299 a year, annual subscription.
Dax Castro
And that’s not bad. $299 is really a reasonable amount of money. When you talk about the time, it saves you. I can think of one of the things you know. There are many firms where designers come and go. And sometimes files come and go. And the only thing left is the PDF that’s on the server that’s on the website that’s wherever that they created the end product. And I don’t know how many times Chad, you and I both have had this happen many times where people are like, they’ll post on a message board. This file was from 2015. And I need to recreate it, we need to update some information on it. Is there any way we can that we can pull this back into InDesign? And honestly, this is the way right
Chad Chelius
Yeah, Natively? The answer’s no. Right. And we’re like, oh, what InDesign can’t do that. It’s like no. But PDF2ID can right and, and with a price tag of 299. That’s $5.75 a week. Okay, yep. So I’m gonna go remember those commercials, when you’re a kid, “for the price of a cup of coffee. You too could have PDF2ID,” right? Like, you know, but honestly, you know, and I know, you know, I know, we’re all cognizant of the whole subscription. You know, Dax, you and I are paying quite a few subscriptions right now. But it’s the cost of doing business. Right. And, and, you know, if I can get hours of my life back by getting a copy of PDF2ID, man, I mean, you know, that that is that is well worth the price, in my opinion. I mean, honestly, you know, if you’re creative, right? I mean, I’ve been a designer for a long time, if you’re creative, you could pay for that with one project, right? Like, what one project, especially, especially if that project has these challenges, right? You know, you need to be billing for that. And if part of that is, you know, covering the cost of the plugin, then so be it. You know, I mean, that’s how you get the job done. Without spending your life on that project. You know, really cool, really cool.
Dax Castro
You know, we are so glad to have you on the podcast. So where can they go to get the software?
Paul Chadha
So just go to www.recosoft.com.
Dax Castro
Awesome. So guys, head on over to recosoft.com. And check it out. Now, is there a free demo or a download or a time limited trial?
Paul Chadha
We have time limited trials, it’s you just have to submit information and you get the time limited trial.
Dax Castro
Super, so you guys can test it out. And, and make sure you know, hold us to our word. We love this product. And we definitely have used it in a pinch. When we don’t really want to have to spend the time to read the file. It’s, you know,
Chad Chelius
I can tell you guys, I have it on my machine. And actually, I’ve had it on my machine. God, Paul, I want to say seven or eight years, I think from the time I first met you so I’ve had it on my machine for for quite a while. And I reach for it on a regular basis. I mean, all of the products are fantastic. And definitely, you know, well worth it. So go on over to recosoft.com. And check it out. And I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Dax Castro
Well, and Chad, you’re on a Mac. So it’s cross platform then correct?
Chad Chelius
It absolutely is.
Dax Castro
That’s all good.
Chad Chelius
Go ahead, Paul.
Paul Chadha
Yeah, I was gonna say PDF2ID is all of our tools are cross platform. We believe in Mac and Windows. [Dax] Awesome.
Dax Castro
Yeah. And that’s perfect. Yeah, so I’m a Mac guy. So all of my you know, all of my Recosoft products are Mac based. But if you’re a Windows user, they have it on Windows as well. So nobody left behind.
Dax Castro
No file left behind.
Dax Castro
No file left behind. That should be our new our new tagline.
Dax Castro
There you go.
Chad Chelius
Awesome, guys. Well, listen, I want to thank everybody for tuning in today. Paul, I really want to thank you for joining us today and being our guest on the podcast.
Paul Chadha
Well, thank you guys, for having me. It’s been wonderful doing this podcast.
Dax Castro
And we also want to thank you for sponsoring the podcast.
Paul Chadha
You’re welcome.
Chad Chelius
Well, once again, we want to thank Recosoft for sponsoring this episode of the podcast. And just remember, if you’re looking for in person or online training, or struggling to establish an accessibility program within your organization, head on over to accessibilityunraveled.com to learn more. My name is Chad Chelius.
Dax Castro
And my name is Dax Castro where each week we unravel accessibility for you.
Dax Castro
Thanks, guys.
